"I want to post this at the top so everyone will be able to research on their own and see through Margaret Shattucks emotional and fact deprived responses below. This reply was initially to her continued posting of easily refutable disinformation regarding the formation of Zionism, the relation of Zionism to a multitude of individual and groups of Jews, and her version of history which doesn't hold up to examination.
Margaret,
JBS here.
"1. Modern Zionism was in large part founded and funded by British Imperialists like Laurence Oliphant who wanted to (a) mobilize a population, sympathetic to the British and hostile to the Ottomans to secure the eastern flank of the newly acquired Suez Canal and British occupied Egypt. And (b) get Jews out of Europe where they thought they "belonged". Quite racist yes?
2. Oliphant and other British Imperial Zionists developed and promoted the theology of Dispensationalism, designed to fool Christians into thinking putting the Jews of Europe into a kill box would make the second coming of their god occur.
3. Oliphant tried to sell this snake oil to the Jews, but at that time no one was buying it. He couldn't understand why Jews who had lived in Europe since the Roman times and most came from native populations in Hellenic and Roman areas that converted before Catholicism became a state religion, preferred Berlin and Vienna to a sandbox.
4. After this members of Oliphants group sold the idea to an unemployed hipster in Vienna that up till that point thought that anti Semitism in France, England, and Russia could be solved by a mass conversion of Jews at a major Cathedral. That unemployed beatnick was Theodore Herzl. An agnostic drifter who thought Judaism an archaic superstition and the Yiddish language "gutteral" and "barbaric".
5. Even Herzl, couldn't get most Jews to leave Europe. Only the Ostjudden from Russia, poor and massively abused en masse by the Tsarist forces, and later Bolsheviks, seemed to choose Palestine. Even then, these were socialist idealists, not the conservative Jews. Most of them opted for Berlin or New York.
It is obvious you are not familiar with Herzl's own writings. I would recommend studying them both before discussing this matter which reveals your ignorance.
Learn first the actual history, not pronouncements from a government PR department. Erase your ignorance, then come back to discuss. The two books from Herzl I would recommend start with are of course "The Jewish State" and then his "Altneuland" to see what was his emotional reasoning for becoming a Zionist and giving up his plan for mass conversion. Spoiler alert: It had NOTHING to do with Torah or Judaism as a religion.
Finally, before you attempt to tell us what we believe, know that Jews are as varied in our beliefs as any other religion, perhaps more. There is a sizable number of individual Jews and Jewish groups that oppose Zionism on religious grounds because it attempts to reverse G-Ds decree. We were sent into Galus for not following Mitzvot. The judge of the universe sent us out, and only the judge can commute the sentence. It is an affront to G-D to both annul his decree and to do so with a secular socialist state that routinely destroys Cheredi belief, as well as attempted to obliterate alternative orthodox cultures such as Yemeni, Falasha, etc. "
I sent this link to several people, including an American friend of many years who married a lady from Azerbaijan. This is how he responded. Does anyone have a decent rebuttal to his protest?
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I gather that you have little to no information on the history between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Did you know that Armenians slaughterd over 30,000 Azerbaijani’s when they invaded Nagorno-Karabakh right after the dissolution of the Soviet Union? Talk about genocide! Over the last 30 years Armenia has had a campaign to destroy all evidence of Azerbaijan (mosques, graveyards, historic buildings) in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Did you know that the Soviet Union took about 30% of Azerbaijan after Armenians were expelled (for their efforts to secede from Turkey and create their own country within the borders of modern day Turkey) so as to create the country of Armenia? Did you know that the capital city of Yerevan is based on the name Iravan, a Turkic Khanate? Do you know that Armenians have had a stated policy of taking over all of Azerbaijan to create what they call the Greater Armenia? Do you know that Russia (a Christian nation) has promulgated all of this in the name of Christianity, even though their true long-term historical strategy is not religious, but to create conflict between their borderlands and Soviet Republics (often by creating artificial borders that increases local tensions) so that these vassal states fight amongst themselves, rather than band together to fight Russian hegemonic interests?
Did you know that the northwestern 1/3 of Iran used to be part of Azerbaijan, and that this part of Iran is referred to as Azerbaijan where they speak Azeri more commonly than Farsi (many of whom want to be reunited with Azerbaian)? Iran clearly has a interest in undermining Azerbaijan for its own geopolitical purposes. In addition, for Iran who claims to be peaceful, but who instigates armed attacks and conflict with its proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and until recently Syria), it’s rich for them to declare (directly or via mouthpieces like Yon) that they are peaceful and defending the interests of others. They are not pro-Christian or pro-Jew, they are in it for their own long-term goals to remake the world according to their vision.
Bottom line, Armenia has fostered this propaganda and misinformation for decades, if not longer, taking one piece of accurate information and then building around it fake/false narratives around it. I don’t know anything about Yon, so I’m willing to put aside his views in this piece and look at his other writings/opinions.
One of my college professors was an engineer from Iran working at the U of Texas - Arlington and we talked about the changes that happened after the Jimmy Carter did a regime change that was hated by the general population of Iran.
In essence most Iranians were very Westernized and living in relative freedom....NOT Sharia Law.
FLASHBACK...Remember what happened in Iran shortly after Obama took office in 2008 - 2009?
The Iranian citizens thought they could revolt to have the Muslim Rulers kicked out and HAVE SUPPORT from USA Obama Administration?
BUT Obama totally ignored the True Revolution for Freedom AND the Iranian Muslim Rulers Enforcer Army killed and tortured many of the protesters in a barbaric manner.
I will not forget the photo of the Iranian man on a hospital bed with a huge bloody gash in his chest made from an axe by one of the 'police'.
This is what I just did. Online I read that we could go to war with Lindsay Graham. I know we can't just go to war with one congressperson, but I said, we can, just go to war with just him? Then, I got the idea. I posted on my X for someone to challenge Lindsay Graham to a duel. I even @ him. I'm no one, so it's just a joke, but I said he wants regime change so please, someone volunteer. I hope I don't get in trouble. Texas is a long way from South Carolina so he would have to drive two days to get to my house. Thank you Michael Yon and Mike Adams and your friends for being so informative. I learned a lot from you all! (not about the dual thing, I learned about that from history)
This is all LIES, Michael. I've had enough of this crap.
I don't know what your issue with Israel is, but your hate for them is more than a little palpable. I once thought you were a good person. Boy, was I ever wrong.
You're just proving my point, Michael. In your mind, not only am I a Zionist (which you clearly know nothing about), but now I'm "genocidal", and I'm also a predator. You couldn't be more wrong. I actually pity you. You are so filled with hate.
Hi Margaret. Your feelings and knowledge are completely valid. Though there’s a lot of incredibly valuable, accurate, and insightful information Michael Yon reports on, I do worry about the lack of him not providing a repeated disclaimer on “the others” (regular, honorable, very good Jewish people) versus elites of Zionism (pan-wide, regardless of country or religion). I do monetarily support Yon at times, I care about him and Masako, however, I do so knowing that (1) Yon probably didn’t grow up in a multi-cultural environment like I did, so I immediately know where his areas of expertise have huge potholes; (2) Yon lacks a solid understanding of deep meaning in languages puts him at a massive disadvantage; (3) Yon is a straight shooter who has zero compassion for true refugees who run from the sh*t the U.S. provokes. Yon would’ve definitely said “buh-bye” to me as a little girl when my mom was deported and I had no choice but to go with her as war was gearing up where she came from. A war in a country that Russia and the U.S. used up lives. Yet, it is because I believe in the Rule of Law and appreciate at least 90% of Yon’s reporting that I’ll continue to support him when possible.
Yes, he has done some good reporting in other areas, but when it comes to Israel, he's just plain wrong. He clearly doesn't understand what Zionism REALLY is, and clearly seems to think that all of Israel is evil. I heard him this morning on Shannon Joy's show, and he called Israel a "death cult". That really concerned me. That is nothing but total hate, and saying stuff like that just causes danger for innocent people.
Israel is not the instigator. They have every right to their land, and that is what Zionism IS all about. The name "Zion" is just Jerusalem. It's all over the Bible. The actual Zionist movement began by some very scared, oppressed Jews in Europe, who feared for their lives, and just wanted to get back to their own land, where they could live by the Torah, which God gave them. That is ALL Zionism is about. Michael doesn't seem to understand that.
I urge you to read the book, "Israel: A Simple Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country on Earth". It was written by Noa Tishby, who was born and raised in Tel Aviv. She also served as an Envoy for Israel to the United States for a few years. This is a really easy read, and will tell you accurately about Israel's history, how this new state was founded, and by whom, etc. You will learn the truth that the propagandists just don't want us here in the west to know. You can get the book on Amazon. I hope you'll get it. You'll definitely find it very informative.
Yes, Yon does have some shortcomings in some areas, but I doubt he would ever admit that. I'm starting to see that there is a very cold side to him. I have supported him in the past, but I can no longer do that. I just don't feel right about what he's been saying lately. I can't support that.
With respect, Israel was not founded by Jews who "just wanted to live by Torah". All the original Zionist pioneers were as left-wing, near Communist, and non-spiritual as you can get. Their vision was purely secular.
Re: Michael .
.I've been reading his stuff since his war correspondent days, and I find him to be very astute, & have supported him for a long time.... Except in this area, when he tips over into madness. So sad to hear it.
Yes, a lot of them were more left leaning in their beliefs who originally settled the modern State of Israel, but not all. Like I said, a lot just wanted to be able to observe their own ways, given by the Torah, that the other countries in the world didn't want them to do. That's why there were Yeshivas set up very early in this new State of Israel to teach the Torah.
I've been following Michael for a while too, and even supported him financially for a while, but lately, he's just gone off the rails. The hate he's been spewing against Israel, and the stupid things he's been labeling me personally with, are just insane. I think he's lost it.
"1. Modern Zionism was in large part founded and funded by British Imperialists like Laurence Oliphant who wanted to (a) mobilize a population, sympathetic to the British and hostile to the Ottomans to secure the eastern flank of the newly acquired Suez Canal and British occupied Egypt. And (b) get Jews out of Europe where they thought they "belonged". Quite racist yes?
2. Oliphant and other British Imperial Zionists developed and promoted the theology of Dispensationalism, designed to fool Christians into thinking putting the Jews of Europe into a kill box would make the second coming of their god occur.
3. Oliphant tried to sell this snake oil to the Jews, but at that time no one was buying it. He couldn't understand why Jews who had lived in Europe since the Roman times and most came from native populations in Hellenic and Roman areas that converted before Catholicism became a state religion, preferred Berlin and Vienna to a sandbox.
4. After this members of Oliphants group sold the idea to an unemployed hipster in Vienna that up till that point thought that anti Semetism in France, England, and Russia could be solved by a mass conversion of Jews at a major Cathedral. That unemployed beatnick was Theodore Herzl. An agnostic drifter who thought Judaism an archaic superstition and the Yiddish language "gutteral" and "barbaric".
5. Even Herzl, couldn't get most Jews to leave Europe. Only the Ostjudden from Russia, poor and massively abused en masse by the Tsarist forces, and later Bolsheviks, seemed to choose Palestine. Even then, these were socialist idealists, not the conservative Jews. Most of them opted for Berlin or New York.
It is obvious you are not familiar with Herzl's own writings. I would recommend studying them both before discussing this matter which reveals your ignorance.
Learn first the actual history, not pronouncements from a government PR department, erase your ignorance, then come back to discuss. The two books from Herzl I would recommend start with are of course "The Jewish State" and then his "Altneuland" to see what was his emotional reasoning for becoming a Zionist and giving up his plan for mass conversion. Spoiler alert: It had NOTHING to do with Torah or Judaism as a religion.
Finally, before you attempt to tell us what we believe, know that Jews are as varied in our beliefs as any other religion, perhaps more. There is a sizable number of individual Jews and Jewish groups that oppose Zionism because it attempts to reverse G-Ds decree. We were sent into Galus for not following Mitzvot. The judge of the universe sent us out, and only the judge can commute the sentence. It is an affront to G-D to both annul his decree and to do so with a secular socialist state that routinely destroys Orthodox belief, as well as alternative orthodox such as Yemeni, Falasha, etc. "
I will order those books also. Hopefully a quick read, but even if they aren’t, something doesn’t sit right with a lot of us that small countries, be it Ukraine or Israel, are taking the world into an incredibly dangerous trajectory and I want to know why.
I will order the book you suggested, Margaret. And thank you for your suggestion. Let’s keep working towards peace between peoples of all backgrounds where possible. We only have one planet, and so many good people, including people within Israel. God bless and Shalom for the good Israelis. For the Iranians, Khoda Hafez, for the Arabs, Inshallah/ اللَّهُ مَعَكِ (Allahu ma3aki)- May we all learn to get along somehow.
Yes, I do know people who live in Israel. They are good people. Michael's hate for Israel is off the charts. I don't know where that comes from, but he must stop. He's literally spreading poison, which is hurting innocent people.
I urge you to check out Chuck Holton's reporting on Israel. He's far more balanced. No hate. He was actually just in Armenia, and now Michael spews this crap about Armenia. I've just had enough of this. I don't know what's going on with Michael, but he's definitely not the person I thought he was.
Here is the link for Chuck Holton's Youtube channel. He's been reporting there. He's currently traveling, but will be in Israel this week. I can assure you, you'll get much more accurate reporting from him.
I'm the same, Nancy. I like to check out a lot of sources before I make a decision on anything. I hope you find Chuck's site helpful. If you go to the "live" tab at the top, he just did a live report from the airport in New Jersey before he hops back on another plane. He made some very interesting comments, and he's definitely well informed.
JBS Here.
"I want to post this at the top so everyone will be able to research on their own and see through Margaret Shattucks emotional and fact deprived responses below. This reply was initially to her continued posting of easily refutable disinformation regarding the formation of Zionism, the relation of Zionism to a multitude of individual and groups of Jews, and her version of history which doesn't hold up to examination.
Margaret,
JBS here.
"1. Modern Zionism was in large part founded and funded by British Imperialists like Laurence Oliphant who wanted to (a) mobilize a population, sympathetic to the British and hostile to the Ottomans to secure the eastern flank of the newly acquired Suez Canal and British occupied Egypt. And (b) get Jews out of Europe where they thought they "belonged". Quite racist yes?
2. Oliphant and other British Imperial Zionists developed and promoted the theology of Dispensationalism, designed to fool Christians into thinking putting the Jews of Europe into a kill box would make the second coming of their god occur.
3. Oliphant tried to sell this snake oil to the Jews, but at that time no one was buying it. He couldn't understand why Jews who had lived in Europe since the Roman times and most came from native populations in Hellenic and Roman areas that converted before Catholicism became a state religion, preferred Berlin and Vienna to a sandbox.
4. After this members of Oliphants group sold the idea to an unemployed hipster in Vienna that up till that point thought that anti Semitism in France, England, and Russia could be solved by a mass conversion of Jews at a major Cathedral. That unemployed beatnick was Theodore Herzl. An agnostic drifter who thought Judaism an archaic superstition and the Yiddish language "gutteral" and "barbaric".
5. Even Herzl, couldn't get most Jews to leave Europe. Only the Ostjudden from Russia, poor and massively abused en masse by the Tsarist forces, and later Bolsheviks, seemed to choose Palestine. Even then, these were socialist idealists, not the conservative Jews. Most of them opted for Berlin or New York.
It is obvious you are not familiar with Herzl's own writings. I would recommend studying them both before discussing this matter which reveals your ignorance.
Learn first the actual history, not pronouncements from a government PR department. Erase your ignorance, then come back to discuss. The two books from Herzl I would recommend start with are of course "The Jewish State" and then his "Altneuland" to see what was his emotional reasoning for becoming a Zionist and giving up his plan for mass conversion. Spoiler alert: It had NOTHING to do with Torah or Judaism as a religion.
Finally, before you attempt to tell us what we believe, know that Jews are as varied in our beliefs as any other religion, perhaps more. There is a sizable number of individual Jews and Jewish groups that oppose Zionism on religious grounds because it attempts to reverse G-Ds decree. We were sent into Galus for not following Mitzvot. The judge of the universe sent us out, and only the judge can commute the sentence. It is an affront to G-D to both annul his decree and to do so with a secular socialist state that routinely destroys Cheredi belief, as well as attempted to obliterate alternative orthodox cultures such as Yemeni, Falasha, etc. "
I sent this link to several people, including an American friend of many years who married a lady from Azerbaijan. This is how he responded. Does anyone have a decent rebuttal to his protest?
* * * * *
I gather that you have little to no information on the history between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Did you know that Armenians slaughterd over 30,000 Azerbaijani’s when they invaded Nagorno-Karabakh right after the dissolution of the Soviet Union? Talk about genocide! Over the last 30 years Armenia has had a campaign to destroy all evidence of Azerbaijan (mosques, graveyards, historic buildings) in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Did you know that the Soviet Union took about 30% of Azerbaijan after Armenians were expelled (for their efforts to secede from Turkey and create their own country within the borders of modern day Turkey) so as to create the country of Armenia? Did you know that the capital city of Yerevan is based on the name Iravan, a Turkic Khanate? Do you know that Armenians have had a stated policy of taking over all of Azerbaijan to create what they call the Greater Armenia? Do you know that Russia (a Christian nation) has promulgated all of this in the name of Christianity, even though their true long-term historical strategy is not religious, but to create conflict between their borderlands and Soviet Republics (often by creating artificial borders that increases local tensions) so that these vassal states fight amongst themselves, rather than band together to fight Russian hegemonic interests?
Did you know that the northwestern 1/3 of Iran used to be part of Azerbaijan, and that this part of Iran is referred to as Azerbaijan where they speak Azeri more commonly than Farsi (many of whom want to be reunited with Azerbaian)? Iran clearly has a interest in undermining Azerbaijan for its own geopolitical purposes. In addition, for Iran who claims to be peaceful, but who instigates armed attacks and conflict with its proxies (Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, and until recently Syria), it’s rich for them to declare (directly or via mouthpieces like Yon) that they are peaceful and defending the interests of others. They are not pro-Christian or pro-Jew, they are in it for their own long-term goals to remake the world according to their vision.
Bottom line, Armenia has fostered this propaganda and misinformation for decades, if not longer, taking one piece of accurate information and then building around it fake/false narratives around it. I don’t know anything about Yon, so I’m willing to put aside his views in this piece and look at his other writings/opinions.
Glad to see that SOMEONE CARES ABOUT ARMENIA! Lovely ancient people. My evangelist friend Joel Tenney is moving his entire family there in Sepr.
COMPLETE & TOTAL CEASE-FIRE announced just minutes ago. Will take effect over next 24 hours. Talks to ensue about future. No regime change.
VERY INTERESTING.
One of my college professors was an engineer from Iran working at the U of Texas - Arlington and we talked about the changes that happened after the Jimmy Carter did a regime change that was hated by the general population of Iran.
In essence most Iranians were very Westernized and living in relative freedom....NOT Sharia Law.
FLASHBACK...Remember what happened in Iran shortly after Obama took office in 2008 - 2009?
The Iranian citizens thought they could revolt to have the Muslim Rulers kicked out and HAVE SUPPORT from USA Obama Administration?
BUT Obama totally ignored the True Revolution for Freedom AND the Iranian Muslim Rulers Enforcer Army killed and tortured many of the protesters in a barbaric manner.
I will not forget the photo of the Iranian man on a hospital bed with a huge bloody gash in his chest made from an axe by one of the 'police'.
Armenians are very hospitable and good people.
Yes, and they're under constant threat from the crazed Azeris. Lovely people. They need protection.
"Israel arms quietly helped Azerbaijan retake Nagorno-Karabakh , to the dismay region's Armenians" by Isabel Debre.
And Armenias hapless leader, Pashinyan. Disaster.
Thank You for sharing the TRUTH Michael !! You really are a very good Man that is unafraid to tell it like it is ❤️
This is what I just did. Online I read that we could go to war with Lindsay Graham. I know we can't just go to war with one congressperson, but I said, we can, just go to war with just him? Then, I got the idea. I posted on my X for someone to challenge Lindsay Graham to a duel. I even @ him. I'm no one, so it's just a joke, but I said he wants regime change so please, someone volunteer. I hope I don't get in trouble. Texas is a long way from South Carolina so he would have to drive two days to get to my house. Thank you Michael Yon and Mike Adams and your friends for being so informative. I learned a lot from you all! (not about the dual thing, I learned about that from history)
Thank you!
This is all LIES, Michael. I've had enough of this crap.
I don't know what your issue with Israel is, but your hate for them is more than a little palpable. I once thought you were a good person. Boy, was I ever wrong.
Everyone, WAKE THE HELL UP!!!
Mad Margaret. Don’t get your panties on a wad. MY is yanking your chain. You walked right into his set up.
You can always spot a genocidal Zionist. By the way they are.
You are a predator. Zionists tend to be predators.
Wow, Michael!! I can't believe you're saying that. How RUDE.
You're just proving my point, Michael. In your mind, not only am I a Zionist (which you clearly know nothing about), but now I'm "genocidal", and I'm also a predator. You couldn't be more wrong. I actually pity you. You are so filled with hate.
Hi Margaret. Your feelings and knowledge are completely valid. Though there’s a lot of incredibly valuable, accurate, and insightful information Michael Yon reports on, I do worry about the lack of him not providing a repeated disclaimer on “the others” (regular, honorable, very good Jewish people) versus elites of Zionism (pan-wide, regardless of country or religion). I do monetarily support Yon at times, I care about him and Masako, however, I do so knowing that (1) Yon probably didn’t grow up in a multi-cultural environment like I did, so I immediately know where his areas of expertise have huge potholes; (2) Yon lacks a solid understanding of deep meaning in languages puts him at a massive disadvantage; (3) Yon is a straight shooter who has zero compassion for true refugees who run from the sh*t the U.S. provokes. Yon would’ve definitely said “buh-bye” to me as a little girl when my mom was deported and I had no choice but to go with her as war was gearing up where she came from. A war in a country that Russia and the U.S. used up lives. Yet, it is because I believe in the Rule of Law and appreciate at least 90% of Yon’s reporting that I’ll continue to support him when possible.
Yes, he has done some good reporting in other areas, but when it comes to Israel, he's just plain wrong. He clearly doesn't understand what Zionism REALLY is, and clearly seems to think that all of Israel is evil. I heard him this morning on Shannon Joy's show, and he called Israel a "death cult". That really concerned me. That is nothing but total hate, and saying stuff like that just causes danger for innocent people.
Israel is not the instigator. They have every right to their land, and that is what Zionism IS all about. The name "Zion" is just Jerusalem. It's all over the Bible. The actual Zionist movement began by some very scared, oppressed Jews in Europe, who feared for their lives, and just wanted to get back to their own land, where they could live by the Torah, which God gave them. That is ALL Zionism is about. Michael doesn't seem to understand that.
I urge you to read the book, "Israel: A Simple Guide to the Most Misunderstood Country on Earth". It was written by Noa Tishby, who was born and raised in Tel Aviv. She also served as an Envoy for Israel to the United States for a few years. This is a really easy read, and will tell you accurately about Israel's history, how this new state was founded, and by whom, etc. You will learn the truth that the propagandists just don't want us here in the west to know. You can get the book on Amazon. I hope you'll get it. You'll definitely find it very informative.
Yes, Yon does have some shortcomings in some areas, but I doubt he would ever admit that. I'm starting to see that there is a very cold side to him. I have supported him in the past, but I can no longer do that. I just don't feel right about what he's been saying lately. I can't support that.
With respect, Israel was not founded by Jews who "just wanted to live by Torah". All the original Zionist pioneers were as left-wing, near Communist, and non-spiritual as you can get. Their vision was purely secular.
Re: Michael .
.I've been reading his stuff since his war correspondent days, and I find him to be very astute, & have supported him for a long time.... Except in this area, when he tips over into madness. So sad to hear it.
Yes, a lot of them were more left leaning in their beliefs who originally settled the modern State of Israel, but not all. Like I said, a lot just wanted to be able to observe their own ways, given by the Torah, that the other countries in the world didn't want them to do. That's why there were Yeshivas set up very early in this new State of Israel to teach the Torah.
I've been following Michael for a while too, and even supported him financially for a while, but lately, he's just gone off the rails. The hate he's been spewing against Israel, and the stupid things he's been labeling me personally with, are just insane. I think he's lost it.
Margaret,
JBS here.
"1. Modern Zionism was in large part founded and funded by British Imperialists like Laurence Oliphant who wanted to (a) mobilize a population, sympathetic to the British and hostile to the Ottomans to secure the eastern flank of the newly acquired Suez Canal and British occupied Egypt. And (b) get Jews out of Europe where they thought they "belonged". Quite racist yes?
2. Oliphant and other British Imperial Zionists developed and promoted the theology of Dispensationalism, designed to fool Christians into thinking putting the Jews of Europe into a kill box would make the second coming of their god occur.
3. Oliphant tried to sell this snake oil to the Jews, but at that time no one was buying it. He couldn't understand why Jews who had lived in Europe since the Roman times and most came from native populations in Hellenic and Roman areas that converted before Catholicism became a state religion, preferred Berlin and Vienna to a sandbox.
4. After this members of Oliphants group sold the idea to an unemployed hipster in Vienna that up till that point thought that anti Semetism in France, England, and Russia could be solved by a mass conversion of Jews at a major Cathedral. That unemployed beatnick was Theodore Herzl. An agnostic drifter who thought Judaism an archaic superstition and the Yiddish language "gutteral" and "barbaric".
5. Even Herzl, couldn't get most Jews to leave Europe. Only the Ostjudden from Russia, poor and massively abused en masse by the Tsarist forces, and later Bolsheviks, seemed to choose Palestine. Even then, these were socialist idealists, not the conservative Jews. Most of them opted for Berlin or New York.
It is obvious you are not familiar with Herzl's own writings. I would recommend studying them both before discussing this matter which reveals your ignorance.
Learn first the actual history, not pronouncements from a government PR department, erase your ignorance, then come back to discuss. The two books from Herzl I would recommend start with are of course "The Jewish State" and then his "Altneuland" to see what was his emotional reasoning for becoming a Zionist and giving up his plan for mass conversion. Spoiler alert: It had NOTHING to do with Torah or Judaism as a religion.
Finally, before you attempt to tell us what we believe, know that Jews are as varied in our beliefs as any other religion, perhaps more. There is a sizable number of individual Jews and Jewish groups that oppose Zionism because it attempts to reverse G-Ds decree. We were sent into Galus for not following Mitzvot. The judge of the universe sent us out, and only the judge can commute the sentence. It is an affront to G-D to both annul his decree and to do so with a secular socialist state that routinely destroys Orthodox belief, as well as alternative orthodox such as Yemeni, Falasha, etc. "
I will order those books also. Hopefully a quick read, but even if they aren’t, something doesn’t sit right with a lot of us that small countries, be it Ukraine or Israel, are taking the world into an incredibly dangerous trajectory and I want to know why.
King James Bible
JOHN 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Very simple.. Jesus is God
If you reject Jesus, you are listening to Satan continually and will act accordingly.
Jesus Christ also made focus of The Good Samaritan.
I will order the book you suggested, Margaret. And thank you for your suggestion. Let’s keep working towards peace between peoples of all backgrounds where possible. We only have one planet, and so many good people, including people within Israel. God bless and Shalom for the good Israelis. For the Iranians, Khoda Hafez, for the Arabs, Inshallah/ اللَّهُ مَعَكِ (Allahu ma3aki)- May we all learn to get along somehow.
do you know people who live there? who are your sources?
Yes, I do know people who live in Israel. They are good people. Michael's hate for Israel is off the charts. I don't know where that comes from, but he must stop. He's literally spreading poison, which is hurting innocent people.
I urge you to check out Chuck Holton's reporting on Israel. He's far more balanced. No hate. He was actually just in Armenia, and now Michael spews this crap about Armenia. I've just had enough of this. I don't know what's going on with Michael, but he's definitely not the person I thought he was.
Here is the link for Chuck Holton's Youtube channel. He's been reporting there. He's currently traveling, but will be in Israel this week. I can assure you, you'll get much more accurate reporting from him.
https://www.youtube.com/c/TheHotZoneWithChuckHolton/videos
I have learned to listen to every person with knowledge before I make any determinations. Thank you for sharing the link. I will check it out.
I'm the same, Nancy. I like to check out a lot of sources before I make a decision on anything. I hope you find Chuck's site helpful. If you go to the "live" tab at the top, he just did a live report from the airport in New Jersey before he hops back on another plane. He made some very interesting comments, and he's definitely well informed.